You're so smart, Jeri! Thanks for the good tips.
I figured there would be some way to record non-Unicode translations. Our problem is that because of an upcoming Russian exhibition, there is an immediate need to start with this language. sigh. Nothing's ever simple at the Warhol!
Allison
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:50 PM
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Hi Allison,
We've just entered an exhibition checklist (all label copy fields) in
both English and Spanish, as it is being co-curated by staff here and in
Spain.
We used Designer Forms, and entered the translations principally for
just the label copy fields. We designated a few of the extra fields
available in the forms designer as Spanish label copy fields, and I set
the screen up with English and Spanish fields side-by-side for
curatorial staff doing the data entry and translations.
{Spanish Credit Line = ObjectContext.LongText2, Spanish Edition =
ObjectContext.ShortText1, Spanish Medium = ObjectContext.LongText1}
We're putting together a "Spanish Checklist" report in Crystal, pulling
those fields designated for Spanish for Medium, Edition, and Credit
Line. Titles are alternate titles with "Spanish" selected in the
language drop-down. Any dates that require accompanying text will be
entered in historical dates, with event type = Spanish.
We also enter "Themes" in the Exhibition Object Xrefs - Attributes, and
will pull Spanish equivalents for conceptual sections of the exhibition
from there. We haven't decided where to put the translation of the
exhibition title, but probably a text entry on the exhibition record
with "Spanish" selected in the Status drop-down.
We may do this for other languages in the future (Basque and Italian,
obvious candidates for us). We had discussed entering our soon-to-open
RUSSIA! exhibition in Russian, but that didn't happen, so we haven't
faced the non-western script issue yet.
Jeri
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Jeri Moxley
TMS Specialist
Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum
(212) 423-3509
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:20 PM
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Hi Deborah -
Thanks for responding.
Regarding those Unicode fields in 9.2, yes they exist (we have 9.2).
However, this functionality seems limited in that (as far as I can tell)
TMS currently allows only 1 Unicode/non-western language translation per
field. The Unicode functionality field appears to be a fairly simple
text box, and doesn't appear to have a way to record what language the
translation is, who wrote the translation, when, etc., other than
embedding that information into the translation itself. It seems like
it would be more useful, if more than one translation could be linked to
a single field, and there could be a way to record additional
information about that data (so that it could be properly exported to
the web, or to a report).
Allison
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:59 PM
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Hi Allison,
I can share a little information re: your second goal. We would also
like to record information in non-Western European languages, but have
found that to be problematic because of the limited number of fields
supported. I understand that in 9.2 you can enter Unicode data in 10
fields: Display Name and Display Bio in Constituents, and Title, Object
Name, Description, Inscriptions, Signed, Marks, Notes, and Curatorial
Remarks in Objects. If that covers your needs for multilingual support
then you may be able to store the data for your site in TMS.
Deborah Lenert
Digital Projects Specialist
Getty Research Institute
Standards & Digital Resource Mgt. Dept.
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Dear TMS Users -
Our Education Department has shown interest in using TMS as a archival
repository for their educational materials, which help teach the story
of Andy Warhol, as well as the related people, concepts, techniques,
events, places, and issues related to his life and/or body of work.
Their ultimate goal is to build a website for teachers, where educators
can use the materials (mainly downloadable PDF "activity" files) found
at the site, for classroom purposes. They are also interested in
creating an Andy Warhol Timeline, in which people can look at specific
dates in Warhol's history, read about Andy, and then get related records
to other events or trends occurring in history at that time (not only in
the United States, but in other countries).
The second ultimate goal, is to have this site be in other languages,
beginning with Russian, and possibly Chinese, and probably including
many of the European languages representative of the countries to which
our collection regularly travels. This second goal, we realize, will be
extremely tricky, and may not include using TMS as a repository for the
foreign language translations at all. We're still trying to figure this
out. Anyone out there dealt with this issue?
I do think it's possible that TMS can be used to accommodate the
educational information and exercises created by our Ed. Dept. I also
think their information has the potential to make our entire database
much richer. From my initial playing around with their data, it seems
like Constituents, Events, and Sites are going to be very important
modules for them to use. In regards to Events, we are expanding our
definition of what "Events" actually means, to be able to accommodate
the following subjects: Historical Events, Natural Events, Political
Events, Activities, Concepts, Themes, Techniques, Processes, Styles,
Periods, Movements, and the Warhol Timeline (so far). We will be using
the Attributes section of the Events module, to help facilitate
searching across these subjects.
My question to the list serve is - has anyone out there really developed
TMS for use in this way? Is anyone out there regularly using Sites and
Events for holding data about places, and/or for non-object/constituent
specific subject matter related to their collection? If so, have you
found it problematic that in TMS, Sites can't be related (through the
Display Mode - Hierarchy) to Events?
Here is a listing of other modules that don't link. Question - has it
been problematic for anyone out there, that these modules don't link?
Sites doesn't link to:
Events
Exhibitions
Events doesn't link to:
Sites
Exhibitions
Bibliography
Exhibitions doesn't link to:
Sites
Events
Bibliography
Bibliography doesn't link to:
Events
Exhibitions
Finally, we're looking into purchasing eMuseum, as a building block for
our website. What has been your general experience with this product?
For those of you that have purchased eMuseum, how accommodating has GS
been with requests for functionality that eMuseum may not currently
have? (or TMS for that matter).
Sorry this has been so long. I always find it necessary to give a lot of
context.
It would be really great to hear from anyone out there, who may be
dealing with these issues. We'd like to know if others are developing
(or thought about developing) TMS in this way, and what successes (or
pitfalls), they've encountered with their projects, and/or eMuseum.
Thanks so much!
Allison
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the warhol:
Allison A. Smith
Collection Manager / Database Administrator
117 Sandusky Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15212
T 412.237.8345
F 412.237.8340
E [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
W www.warhol.org <http://www.warhol.org> W www.warholstore.com
<http://www.warholstore.com>
The Andy Warhol Museum
One of the four Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh
..................................................................
..................................................................
They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change
them yourself -- Andy Warhol
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