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Hello -
We are also thinking about these questions at our institution. I really like Jeremy's idea of having a zoom call. (And thank you for the Data Feminism reference!)
My best,
Melanie
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:28:11 -0400
From: "Hoose, Hannah" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:40:51 +0000
From: "Hoffman, Kellyn L." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:55:41 -0400
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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I would also be very interested in this.
Many thanks,
Karen
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53rd Street New York, NY 10019
Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:05:01 +0000
From: "Munro, Jeremy T." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu%2F__%3B!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIoPedl3s%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074736829&sdata=%2FA3fnoKUpXy1BNo29qq4qKNqdM6CJxpqn%2FbDx%2BI9SmM%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:12:30 -0400
From: Chad Petrovay <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Turn SQL script into package?
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April, The script selects all of the unique values in Objects.ObjectName. In order to use the query in an INSERT, you would need to get the ObjectID. Because the query only returns 1 id for each unique object name (because of the HAVING COUNT(*) = 1 statement), I can use the MAX() function to get the id.
INSERT INTO PackageList (PackageID, ID, TableID, LoginID)
(SELECT {packageID}, MAX(ObjectID), 108, '{loginid}' FROM Objects GROUP BY ObjectName HAVING COUNT(*) = 1)
Change the contents of the curly brackets with your package id and your username.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:31 AM April Brown <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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I just took that data scrubbing class (which was great) and one of the scripts Chad gave was this:
Select ObjectName, Count(*)
From Objects
Group by ObjectName
Having Count(*) = 1
It seems entirely possible to get this list of records into a Package in TMS but I don’t know how to do it. I already created the package I wanted to add the records to in TMS because I thought it would be easier than creating it in SQL. I thought it might be an Insert Into statement but I have never used one of those before.
Thanks,
April Brown
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:21:34 -0400
From: David Lowe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hi Jeremy,
Thanks! If you do set up such a zoom discussion or presentation, do please post it here (and/or add me to your email list). This would be something I, and I'm sure many of my Library colleagues, would be interested in.
Thanks,
David
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Munro, Jeremy T. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
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Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
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Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53rd Street New York, NY 10019
Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:12:21 +0000
From: Elisabeth Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Thanks, Jeremy, and all. I would be very interested in joining a Zoom call. I spoke last year with Frances about MIA's efforts, and was heartened by the important work being done; I would welcome a continued conversation.
Many thanks and best,
Elisabeth
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Munro, Jeremy T. <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7Ctmsusers*40si-listserv.si.edu*7Ca1c3fa909ba340ddbed708d8186a26f8*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286191482113335%26amp%3Bsdata%3DBzXQlHog2Q1*2Fz8ktAd12sk22UjbPaisSRei*2F2zCWZ0g*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIYb8pLqU%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074756817&sdata=ubEvCU8CJF8d3eULfVd57e%2Ff7xYoxtu53qFNjKSvK88%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Hoose, Hannah
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Hannah Hoose
Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53rd Street New York, NY 10019
Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:25:19 +0000
From: Aaron Zalonis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Jeremy,
Thank you for your generosity and book recommendation -just ordered it. I’d definitely be interested in learning more. If you ever host a Zoom meeting, count me in.
Best,
AARON ZALONIS
ASSISTANT REGISTRAR / DATABASE MANAGER
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From: "The Museum System (TMS) Users" <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of "Munro, Jeremy T." <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F__*3B!!OToaGQ!_FPzSfQLC7-ha4j_y5Hif8QxmWwR7WcTIPauhX5fCfPuEe0iEzUjIq3rGs6WXv-FO5-g*24%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU*7C193b6effe9504e029a2608d8186bf613*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286199261087899%26amp%3Bsdata%3Du8fjovw8xTO509mUnA9fKlP2HS6zezBX5S34sPGjCAQ*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIiR7CNpY%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074756817&sdata=hTu1E5P1AAC2cd4l%2FJEjJR3usdJVgxzIQ%2BAYtJojmn8%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Hoffman, Kellyn L. <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:40 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | 202-633-8338
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Hoose, Hannah
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
--
Hannah Hoose
Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53rd Street New York, NY 10019
Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:26:04 +0000
From: "Meredith L. Steinfels" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hi Jeremy,
I would love a Zoom chat (to start!)- this is something we are grappling with as well- we have a large collection (and are continuing to collect) contemporary art by Indigenous North American and Native Alaskan, and Indigenous Australian artists. Identity, nationality, citizenship, relationship to land and colonialism need to be addressed in terms of how we represent from a data standpoint. Additionally, our curators have identified legacy subject tags intended to identify LGBTQIA+ artists and women artists as needing review and replacement.
-Meredith
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU*7C5710eb6a951d4f8d4edf08d8186c0f30*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286199677790208%26amp%3Bsdata%3Dkpma4rfD2jm6Slz6rwsP0qgPhk6nOgRqcyn8LlordoI*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIZnkBFb4%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074766809&sdata=L3jOa0xAcgLe9F8FdfxQMw17f%2BxZcTrlNbBEYTfQGdE%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
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Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:31:09 +0000
From: "Sarah J. Biggs" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Good afternoon, all,
These are questions we are grappling with at the Saint Louis Art Museum, particularly *because* our collection is so encyclopaedic. We have lots of long-dead artists and unknown artists, and cultural artefacts. We have a number of programmes underway to address this on the public side, but we’re also trying first to think very carefully about how we are dealing with the data questions. All of which you’ve laid out.
I would be very interested in a Zoom call or some other kind of collaboration - and I’m glad to hear that so many institutions are thinking about these questions. Please let me know if something like this goes ahead!
Sarah J Biggs
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7Ctmsusers*40si-listserv.si.edu*7C7347512ef06a40b1b56208d8186cc7fc*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286202779760226%26amp%3Bsdata%3D7Wujq9k9w7SPnXXfYlEOYrIu7rHqnqH*2BAkqRVgzJgjU*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIK1-ZoBw%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074766809&sdata=f04Y2hj449y8mW19Igv%2FJGZbq7GGnyCj75%2FuBAuIiME%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Hoose, Hannah
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:34:04 -0500
From: "Hansen, Stephanie" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hi Jeremy,
We'd also be very interested in a zoom chat on this!
Stephanie Hansen
Associate Registrar/Database Administrator
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Hi Jeremy,
I would love a Zoom chat (to start!)- this is something we are grappling with as well- we have a large collection (and are continuing to collect) contemporary art by Indigenous North American and Native Alaskan, and Indigenous Australian artists. Identity, nationality, citizenship, relationship to land and colonialism need to be addressed in terms of how we represent from a data standpoint. Additionally, our curators have identified legacy subject tags intended to identify LGBTQIA+ artists and women artists as needing review and replacement.
-Meredith
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Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40si-listserv.si.edu*7C8b0fd6eaca094874240008d8186d34f5*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286204610641489%26amp%3Bsdata%3D*2BoihiZRghLe1QQvXROQLORTPF0XPsH4P6H*2FJaTuGgBc*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcI--UYio4%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074776805&sdata=9Qb1jDJkSfZcASyVGmeTPolrL7QfDYx0n%2FJziK%2BzEag%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
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Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:34:48 +0000
From: "Delmas-Glass, Emmanuelle" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Jeremy,
I would be interested in a zoom call on this topic.
Also, would you be okay circulating to this list your fantastic MCN 2019 presentation with Erin Canning and Amanda Dearolph?
Best,
Emmanuelle
Emmanuelle Delmas-Glass
Collections Data Manager
Yale Center for British Art
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Hi Jeremy,
Thanks! If you do set up such a zoom discussion or presentation, do please post it here (and/or add me to your email list). This would be something I, and I'm sure many of my Library colleagues, would be interested in.
Thanks,
David
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Munro, Jeremy T. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU*7C24c62d79aee84d418e2708d8186d471f*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286204911307263%26amp%3Bsdata%3DOmh8DXt33jLPZIz6RrhACiR1kgaTnMV*2FykVZzS0B3TQ*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcI_SF91HY%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074786802&sdata=9OHGrYvf15trNT0dcKj8cJ7xpbxosqtuSDfA%2FmfowWM%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
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Smithsonian American Art Museum
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:35:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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We're also really interested in this, and I'd love to be included in your zoom meeting. I don't think this subject can wait until Nov of 2021!
I have noticed how gender and ethnicity is appearing on more and more ULAN records. I've also noticed that the current version of the AAT includes many more African diaspora terms than the version included with our TMS (2012). There's got to be a way to leverage the Getty's good work and not reinvent the wheel.
Cheers,
Fatima
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Munro, Jeremy T. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40si-listserv.si.edu*7C6cb84b0bb49b4bc4856808d8186d579e*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286205187787172%26amp%3Bsdata%3DUPcJ2TJWapctRebxIAt5*2FDgCy1kstLhHl4P1mtE9F50*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIvIgQqZg%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074786802&sdata=qOPVqdVQRafkl6imxXBnKG5FoBOFxWRSUgpYQjmktrM%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:42:47 +0000
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We would also be interested in a zoom call to discuss –
Thanks
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Jeremy,
I would be interested in a zoom call on this topic.
Also, would you be okay circulating to this list your fantastic MCN 2019 presentation with Erin Canning and Amanda Dearolph?
Best,
Emmanuelle
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Hi Jeremy,
Thanks! If you do set up such a zoom discussion or presentation, do please post it here (and/or add me to your email list). This would be something I, and I'm sure many of my Library colleagues, would be interested in.
Thanks,
David
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Munro, Jeremy T. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU*7C02f8f623aa7b404c525608d8186e6638*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286209730491295%26amp%3Bsdata%3DCC5rEHxAQV5JIjjgK0baOQr3ooXa9qITB7ZpaU8qRto*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcItS2mP4s%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074796797&sdata=dYeUsEHj1KItHvlT9m4544qZ4MqjTFzZvob6fq6lNrc%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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The Museum of Modern Art
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:51:04 +0000
From: "Rogers, Wendy" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hi Jeremy,
I’d be interested in a Zoom call too!
Thanks,
Wendy
Wendy Rogers, Head of Registrar
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Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26data%3D02*7C01*7CRogersWe*40si.edu*7Ca1446a8f04434863bffe08d818692ae2*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286187262277930%26sdata%3DNR9yVqQB8f7iZeuDS3lxmmmCib*2FIl*2Bn721enOKDPoLI*3D%26reserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIMTTfEjc%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074796797&sdata=CKQcu8nkn%2FjCDcd1OYOwO5nWa0IZSSV%2FYcHGT9OqOZs%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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The Museum of Modern Art
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Tel: 212.708.9797
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:53:19 +0000
From: "Vang-Cohen, Yer" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Like you all, we're grappling with these issues too.
For our collection, if gender/ethnicity is specified in an authoritative database, I've recorded that data in TMS, with a reference to which database (ULAN/LCNAF/Wikidata). For our living artists, we are considering including in the artist questionnaire a section about gender and ethnic identity, this will be a fill-in the blank question. For terms not found in the Getty TMS thesaurus, we are creating our own lists in the thesaurus manager.
Currently, the gender list is the list used by the University, but I've added in all the pronouns.
For ethnicity and demographic groups we are using the Library of Congress Demographic Group Terms:
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For the subject matter of a work, we are considering moving towards what libraries do, and that is to reference Library of Congress Subject Headings.
None of this data is live on our website yet, but super interested in joining a zoom sesh.
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Good afternoon, all,
These are questions we are grappling with at the Saint Louis Art Museum, particularly *because* our collection is so encyclopaedic. We have lots of long-dead artists and unknown artists, and cultural artefacts. We have a number of programmes underway to address this on the public side, but we're also trying first to think very carefully about how we are dealing with the data questions. All of which you've laid out.
I would be very interested in a Zoom call or some other kind of collaboration - and I'm glad to hear that so many institutions are thinking about these questions. Please let me know if something like this goes ahead!
Sarah J Biggs
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Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7CTMSUSERS*40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU*7C0fcddfbd8d904333b12f08d8186fddd4*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286216048798916%26amp%3Bsdata%3DXDcbb3yuGxPh1WDNzU0sDoUH6ygyMagApIa1UDiFQbM*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIeDPQu_4%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074806793&sdata=I2b%2Fv3coWjSJCfwPpzS5uY3d1QE4rBt5NFlgkh6ZMmA%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
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Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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The Museum of Modern Art
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:18:26 +0000
From: "Smutko, Polina, DCA" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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As a non-binary trans woman, I am incredibly interested in this topic and would be happy to add perspective, if any one is interested . There are ethical questions involved in the issue of recording gender identity. There is an excellent book on the topic edited by Jane Sandberg, Ethical Questions in Name Authority Control. Frances Lloyd- Baynes was going to host a session on this topic at AAM, which did not happen.
Polina Smutko
Polina Smutko, Director of Collections
Museum of International Folk Art
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vang-Cohen, Yer
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Like you all, we’re grappling with these issues too.
For our collection, if gender/ethnicity is specified in an authoritative database, I’ve recorded that data in TMS, with a reference to which database (ULAN/LCNAF/Wikidata). For our living artists, we are considering including in the artist questionnaire a section about gender and ethnic identity, this will be a fill-in the blank question. For terms not found in the Getty TMS thesaurus, we are creating our own lists in the thesaurus manager.
Currently, the gender list is the list used by the University, but I’ve added in all the pronouns.
For ethnicity and demographic groups we are using the Library of Congress Demographic Group Terms:
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For the subject matter of a work, we are considering moving towards what libraries do, and that is to reference Library of Congress Subject Headings.
None of this data is live on our website yet, but super interested in joining a zoom sesh.
From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Sarah J. Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Good afternoon, all,
These are questions we are grappling with at the Saint Louis Art Museum, particularly *because* our collection is so encyclopaedic. We have lots of long-dead artists and unknown artists, and cultural artefacts. We have a number of programmes underway to address this on the public side, but we’re also trying first to think very carefully about how we are dealing with the data questions. All of which you’ve laid out.
I would be very interested in a Zoom call or some other kind of collaboration - and I’m glad to hear that so many institutions are thinking about these questions. Please let me know if something like this goes ahead!
Sarah J Biggs
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
I also keep recommending the book Data + Feminism<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdata-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu*2F%26amp%3Bdata%3D02*7C01*7Ctmsusers*40si-listserv.si.edu*7Cb4aa0ae8d7dd4feda14308d81873654f*7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c*7C0*7C0*7C637286231194115344%26amp%3Bsdata%3DjVEQUh2I69*2FmyDD2YPwXZUSinGku3xQ4EDa1c3FeWHU*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!DTsu9AqKGqZXkH7-fuKSyHAQ9vJpAziYeqgVXRhWlzx-acoWWrMYqPp2ty7bilCcoMcIADv0z2c%24&data=02%7C01%7CTMSUSERS%40SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU%7C1f43498a971b4c62b88208d81875afe7%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637286241074816792&sdata=SYQWu1zaoVD7SXy%2Bna%2FrKjl4hMI5%2BPpXc1OaFoI6vGM%3D&reserved=0 > by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein. Though the book isn't exactly about museums, many of its indictments of data oriented around capitalist/white supremacy frameworks apply to museums. The book takes an extremely intersectional approach and really helped me think about what does a database built for and with the community of your museum look like. Its also important that museums not just focus on data and objects, but also value emotions, experiential knowledge, and people. Especially right now where many of our institutions are making the decision to privilege objects/donor relationships over their own staff, who are being laid off in record numbers which I find personally, professionally, and morally reprehensible.
Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:40 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Hoose, Hannah
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:28 PM
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Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:25:50 +0000
From: "Smutko, Polina, DCA" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Excuse me if this is a double posting, I am not sure if my original message got through.
As a non-binary trans woman, I am incredibly interested in this topic and would be happy to add perspective, if anyone is interested . There are important ethical questions involved in the issue of recording gender identity. There is an excellent book on the topic edited by Jane Sandberg, Ethical Questions in Name Authority Control.
Polina Smutko
Polina Smutko, Director of Collections
Museum of International Folk Art
Pronouns: she/her/hers or they/them/theirs
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vang-Cohen, Yer
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Like you all, we’re grappling with these issues too.
For our collection, if gender/ethnicity is specified in an authoritative database, I’ve recorded that data in TMS, with a reference to which database (ULAN/LCNAF/Wikidata). For our living artists, we are considering including in the artist questionnaire a section about gender and ethnic identity, this will be a fill-in the blank question. For terms not found in the Getty TMS thesaurus, we are creating our own lists in the thesaurus manager.
Currently, the gender list is the list used by the University, but I’ve added in all the pronouns.
For ethnicity and demographic groups we are using the Library of Congress Demographic Group Terms:
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For the subject matter of a work, we are considering moving towards what libraries do, and that is to reference Library of Congress Subject Headings.
None of this data is live on our website yet, but super interested in joining a zoom sesh.
From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Sarah J. Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
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Good afternoon, all,
These are questions we are grappling with at the Saint Louis Art Museum, particularly *because* our collection is so encyclopaedic. We have lots of long-dead artists and unknown artists, and cultural artefacts. We have a number of programmes underway to address this on the public side, but we’re also trying first to think very carefully about how we are dealing with the data questions. All of which you’ve laid out.
I would be very interested in a Zoom call or some other kind of collaboration - and I’m glad to hear that so many institutions are thinking about these questions. Please let me know if something like this goes ahead!
Sarah J Biggs
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 13:05
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Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Hey Hannah,
Myself and Frances Lloyd-Baynes at Minneapolis were originally going to present at CI on this very subject. In general what we've found is the importance of identifying people the way they wish to be identified even if your (or your standards) definition for say genderfluid doesn't match the artist or person in question and making sure that gender identity is not something that is just assumed for living persons. We envision questionnaires to artists to ask questions like "what are your preferred pronouns" or "what is your gender identity" with options to not say.
Additionally, the Smithsonian has an intern to fellowship program and I helped several of the interns collate their work on these questions in cataloging systems into a presentation that hopefully will be at MCN later this year.
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Its a really tough subject because I think museums need to be okay with realizing some people might not have entries in this field and that data questions like "how many artists" are X are always imperfect questions (and in my opinion flawed since we know the answer - collections should have more works by historically under-represented and marginalized groups - white men have had dominance for hundreds of years there really is no way to over-correct on this).
Happy to talk more about this if you'd like - if folks were interested I'd be happy to even set up a Zoom call for people interested in these issues and creating collections databases that dismantle white supremacy rather than reinforce it.
Best,
Jeremy Munro
Database Administrator
National Museum of African Art
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Hoffman, Kellyn L. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:40 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
Interested in hearing more about this, as we are also pondering this as well.
Best,
Kellyn
Kellyn Hoffman
Permanent Collection Database Administrator
Smithsonian American Art Museum
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Hoose, Hannah
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: ListServ tmsusers <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: TMS Limitations - Gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality, ethnicity
External Email - Exercise Caution
Hello all,
I am reaching out to see what discussions other museums are having about the limitations of TMS and gaps in accurately recording gender identity, preferred pronouns, nationality (more than one), ethnicity, etc.?
We've had discussions with MoMA staff members about how the data is organized, how we can be more conscious of the way we track this information, how it is shared with staff, and then how the data pulled from the database influences other stats shared by the institution. We have now formed a working group to focus on specific blind spots in cataloguing in regards to database fields and how we report on them, context that is being left out when only sharing data and stats from TMS, and other information we should be capturing (such as gender beyond only 'male' and 'female').
Our department has had many internal discussions of the limitations and wanted to reach out to see how other institutions are addressing these issues with database organization as well as what you may be doing to remedy this - discussion groups, working with GS directly, internal working groups to share ideas and strategies, extra fields that have been added?
Thanks for your consideration! We look forward to hearing from you and continuing this discussion.
Hannah
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Hannah Hoose
Coordinator, Collection & Exhibition Information (CEI)
The Museum of Modern Art
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