Hi Julie - We have five constituents that are used in similar ways to how others have responded. They are: Anonymous, Unknown, Private Collection (for ex-collections), Unidentified Dealer (for ex-collections), and Venue Unknown (in the exhibition module, we use this when we know the city where a venue was held, but we don't know the place, used generally for older exhibitions). For the first four that I listed, if we know the place from, we add that to suffix so that it reads, "Private Collection, Switzerland" or something like that. For the Venue Unknown constituent, we add geography to venue remarks. We've found that it's helpful to put instructions for using each of these in the remarks area of the constituent record. Then users can see how to use it when they pull it to a record. So for example, the constituent record for Private Collection has in the remarks field, "Use for ex-collection constituents when collector's name is not known. Add appropriate geography to Display Suffix in Objects Module." Hope this helps - Ella Rothgangel Collection Database Administrator Saint Louis Art Museum [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Thies Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: TMS - unknown maker hi When adding the constituent of 'unknown' to your object records, do you have a separate unknown constituent for each individual object record, or one unknown constituent you link to numerous object records? Do you have one unknown constituent record or thousands? Thanks Julie Thies Manager of Collections Information The Speed Art Museum