Thanks Jeri and Joh,
Components may be an option, however, it still forces me to create a new report. I'll try to explain why, and hopefully, it will become more clear to everyone the issues I'm grappling with.
 
We have an Object record for an original transparency which was gifted to us.  So, I've catalogued this with the object name "transparency", an original date for the transparency, title, medium, dimensions, etc. and have written a report so that the information comes out as such:
 
[number]
Color transparency, ca.1952
Unidentified Model with Butterfly Screen Projections
butterfly artwork by Andy Warhol
Otto Fenn (photographer)
Color photo acetate
9 15/16 x 7 7/8 in. (25.2 x 20 cm.)
Gift of...
 
In the meantime, we have created a physical surrogate of this image for exhibition purposes.  Here is the catalogue record for the surrogate, which runs great with the reports I've written, because the data is fielded the same way in its own object record:
 
[temp number]
Photograph, 1997
Unidentified Model with Butterfly Screen Projections, ca.1952
Reprint.1997; from an original phototransparency from the Collection of The Andy Warhol Museum, Pittsburgh; butterfly artwork by Andy Warhol
Otto Fenn (photographer)
Chromogenic color print
10 x 8 in. (25.4 x 20.3 cm.)
Gift of...
 
As you can see, the Object Name, Date, Title, Note, Medium, and Dimensions for the surrogate have all changed to reflect the truth of the object at hand.  It would make no sense to anyone, if we were to display a photograph on the wall, and label it a transparency.
 
So, if I were to track these surrogates as components, how would be the best way to assure that when we are loaning or exhibiting the photograph, the correct data for the photograph is written into a report, and when we are loaning or working with the transparency, how do I get the correct information to print for the transparency?
 
That's my report dilemma, which hopefully will be a simple fix, but the more I think about it, the more complex the issues become.  Any suggestions? 
Allison
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jonathan Thristan
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:48 AM
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Hi Allison
 
At Tate, we use components in a similar way to that described by Jerri. The Object record represents the 'work', with 'part of object' components representing exhibition formats etc. We also record frames, transit frames, packing cases etc (where dedicated to the object) as accessory components.
 
Similarly to Guggenheim, we record various other related items of information via 'physical description' and 'installation comments'. We've also set up a various term lists via the thesaurus, in preference to using AAT, to cover the finer points of 'object type', 'format', 'channel' information etc (this largely in relation to time-based media works). We've reports that bring all the information together - data does tend to get a little dispersed around the system.
 
We create Object records, in a separate department, for 'the electronic equipment' required to display time-based media works and link these to Object records via a see-also relationship. 
 
* just seen your last message - please could you explain the reporting issue in a bit more detail? :-)
 
 
Thanks
Jon
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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeri Moxley
Sent: 02 August 2005 23:15
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Subject: Re: Cataloguing digital images, surrogates etc.

Hi Allison,
 
We have some similar cataloguing issues in TMS at the Guggenheim - and our answer is Components!
 
For example, exhibition copies of videos are entered as Components on the Object record for the accessioned video work. When exhibited, the Object record for the video artwork is linked to the loan and exhibition records, and the object locations entries (at the component level) give the story of which component (e.g., which exhibition copy) was shown. We also usually toss in some exhobj or loanobj xref remarks about the component/s exhibited, for ease of reference.
 
In some instances, exhibition copies are destroyed after use, and in theory that's captured in TMS by making the component 'inactive' - though we haven't exactly put that into practice as yet.
 
Additional information that we track on the component screen for such components includes dimensions, physical description, installation comments, and eventually some Attributes (e.g., Medium via the AAT and/or some controlled vocabulary for duplication techniques).
 
I've also sometimes thought it might be clearer to enter such things as separate object records Related (parent-child) to the original object record, and using Object status to flag the surrogates as "surrogate" and where appropriate "destroyed". The problem I see with this is difficulty in retrieving exhibition history for the accessioned work, as the surrogates would be linked to exhibition and loan activity when any such instance of exhibition would more properly, I'd think, be considered part of the original work's exhibition history.
 
We also have our frame inventory in components - such that if we have 3 frames for a particular artwork on hand, the curators and exhibition designers can see the choices and request a particular existing frame, or that a new one be made. Through component locations, we track where the frames are and which one (if any) is on the work.
 
We have a few reports that list components of a particular type, and also some reports that list all components for each artwork.
 
Hope this gives you some ideas! It seems to be working well for us,
 
Jeri

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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Smith, Allison
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Cataloguing digital images, surrogates etc.

Thanks Caroline and Laurie for taking the time to reply with suggestions and opinions. Basically though, I'm not as concerned with the numbering of surrogates, and how they will be used, tracked, etc. (I have a pretty good handle on that).  What I'm really concerned with are my Crystal reports.
 
To date, I have written reports for checklists, wall labels, etc., which pull from specific fields in the object record.  My concern is that if I don't treat certain surrogate/facsimiles as an object (with it's own unique record), than I will have to write complex, conditional reports, which I'm reluctant to get into (if field x=surrogate, then disregard fields/sub-reports a, b, c, d, etc., and pull information from field y)...aarrggh!!  My reports are already complex enough!
 
But, you've given me some fat to chew on, and I'm sure I'll figure something out. I'm fairly creative. I was just hoping that someone else had experienced this issue, and could help guide me in a certain direction.
 
Thanks again.
Allison
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Allison A. Smith
Collection Manager / Database Administrator
117 Sandusky Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15212
T   412.237.8345
F   412.237.8340
E   [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
W  www.warhol.org <http://www.warhol.org>
www.warholstore.com <http://www.warholstore.com>
 
The Andy Warhol Museum
One of the four Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh
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They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself -- Andy Warhol
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Delahunty, Caroline
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Cataloguing digital images, surrogates etc.

Dear Allison

 

I cannot tell you what we do with relation to this as this hasn’t been an issue for us and we are still in the early stages of TMS but here are my thoughts, hopefully some of which will be helpful!

 

I think it depends on how you are going to treat these ‘surrogates’.  Are you going to treat them as ‘accessioned’ works, part of the permanent collection? I agree with Laurie, in that you could end up accessioning each time you make a copy which wouldn’t be a good idea.  Will you use the same printed surrogate every time you display it or will you create new versions from the digital?  If you are going to create new versions each time then they would probably be best treated as a ‘support collection’.

 

I don’t know how you use departments or classification in TMS but you could have a department that deals with these copies eg Surrogate department or you could have a classification of  ‘Surrogates’ (you may already do this!)

 

If you weren’t intending to assign an accession number to them you could add the surrogates to TMS with the department ‘Surrogates’ (or whatever) and use a different numbering scheme (I think you do use different numbers for them) and then create a parent child relationship in the hierarchy with the digital image as the parent.  That way you still have an actual record in TMS for the surrogate.

 

Or maybe you could treat the surrogate as a component of the accessioned digital image.

 

The mda’s (Museum Documentation Association based in the UK) has produced a lot of very useful factsheets on documentation.  There is one on documenting photographs, some of which you may find useful.

http://www.mda.org.uk/docphoto.htm

(Allison) Does anyone think that instead of accessioning the digital scans, I should accession the first set of prints we make from them? (this doesn't seem right...but...does it really matter?)

Do you use part numbers in your institution?  You could consider creating 2 TMS records using the same root number for the digital image and first set of prints but use part numbers to distinguish between the two.   That way you would know from the accession numbers that they are related.  You could also create the parent child relationship link.

The following is from the mda’s factsheet:

“It is the use of a photograph, rather than the format it is in, that will determine how it should be documented. Any kind of item can be accessioned into a museum's permanent collection providing it comes within the museum's collecting policy. Any type of photograph can be accessioned but sometimes you may need to make a decision about what format to accession: for example, you may acquire a negative and a print of an image at the same time. Opinions vary as to which you should accession, but most museums agree that where possible it should be the most original version of an image available to you. If you want to make copies of photographs, better quality will be achieved by using an original negative rather than copying a print.”

Good luck!

 

Caroline Delahunty

TMS Officer

National Gallery of Ireland

Merrion Square West

Dublin 2

tel: 00 353 1 632 5525

 



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