Actually, I agree with you very much.  The problem is that since there
ARE the other fields there, getting users here to NOT use them is next
to impossible.  We've got it defaulted so that you would search keyfield
first, but invariably I have people who immediately click down into
"Last Name" since they think they're doing the right thing.

 

I guess most of us are used to filling out forms where Last Name is an
option, but keyfield is not, so the comfort factor is greater to go to
the obvious field that you know.  I know I've told the same people over
and over again to use Keyfield, but they persist in going to last or
first name.

 

Should we start a petition to make the other fields go away?  

 

From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Moxley, Jeri
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Searching alternate names

 

Right - only Keyfields will search the alternate names. 

 

Since Keyfields searches everything at once, why do we need the other
fields to do the same?

 

I personally wish the other fields could go away, and I very actively
discourage my users from searching with anything other than Keyfields
because you can't 100% predict how a name is entered, and - why click in
another field when you don't have to?

 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: The Museum System (TMS) Users
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Aylsworth, David
	Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:42 PM
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: Searching alternate names

	Hi Jeri and Amber,

	 

	One of the things that it does NOT do, though, is search the
alternate names by the fields that you enter information into.  At least
I can't set it up to do it the way that we think is logical.

	 

	For instance, I have an alternate name broken out into First
Name = Joe, Last Name = Blow (Of course, his main constituent name is
"Joseph Blowsalot").  Everything works great when I use the Find
Constituent to search "Keyfield = Blow".  If I do that, I get the record
for "Joseph Blowsalot".

	 

	It falls apart, though, if I use the Find Constituent and search
by "Last Name = Blow".  That will NOT return the record for "Joseph
Blowsalot", even though I clearly have "Blow" in the alternate name Last
Name field.

	 

	I'm probably not making much sense.  I actually had Dimitry
exasperated by the time I got him to understand what I was trying to
say, but it remains one of those things that seems like it SHOULD work,
but doesn't.  Not being a programmer, it seems like a simple fix to have
the FIND OBJECT search Alternate Names by fields other than just
Keyfields, but it probably isn't..

	 

	David

	 

	David Aylsworth

	Collections Registar

	Museum of Fine Arts, Houston

	tel:  713-639-7824

	fax: 713-639-7780

	 

	 

	 

	From: The Museum System (TMS) Users
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moxley, Jeri
	Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:04 PM
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: Searching alternate names

	 

	Hi Amber,

	 

	When you use 'Keyfields' in the constituent lookup in Find
Object, it searches across constituent name fields (first name, last
name, institution, nationality and so forth) as well as all alternate
names.

	 

	Jeri

	Jeri L. Moxley 
	Manager, Collection and Exhibition Technologies 
	Collection Management and Exhibition Registration 
	THE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART 
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		-----Original Message-----
		From: The Museum System (TMS) Users
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Morgan, Amber
		Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:58 PM
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Subject: Searching alternate names

		Does anyone have their db configured for searching
alternate names?  In our set up, if you try searching an alternate name
from the objects module, or if you go into constituents and search "last
names," it only searches the primary name, not the alternate names.  I
tried playing around with the query groups, but when I add "Alternate
Names" into the Query Assistant, it adds another "first name" and "last
name" field - so someone doing a search on a last name wouldn't know for
sure if they were searching primary name or alternate name.

		 

		So, question 1:  Can I change how these fields appear in
the Query Assistant?  I thought for sure this could be done, but I can't
figure out how to do it.

		
		Question 2:  What if I don't want to separately search
primary name and alternate name?  Is there a way to combine these two
searches easily?  I can do it in Advanced Query, but I'm thinking of our
average users who are scared of Advanced Queries.   

		 

		Any suggestions?

		Thanks,
		Amber

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