We use nationality independent of object
culture, though with known artists, we leave the object culture field blank as
the assumption is the culture of the object is the culture/nationality of the
maker. There are some exceptions for this, but generally, we count on the object
geography to cover the details. We use the pick-list search for Nationality
also; it simplifies things for users but slightly complicates things for me.
This dual-nationality is definitely an
artist-by-artist decision for us, and distinguished from the “born in” and “active
in” that we use elsewhere--I wanted an alternative to that and now I have it! I
think “American and French” is most straightforward and accurate in this
particular case.
I shall celebrate the word “and” like I’m
on
Thanks everyone for the input; I knew I
could count on you guys to have my back!
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Jessica Milby
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Philadelphia Museum of Art
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Fax: 215-235-0035
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If you're not going to be doing anything but duplicating the contents
of nationality in the culture field, you probably ought not be doing it then.
Essentially, you're de-normalizing the data.. Something one should
avoid doing unless performance reasons dictate it.
Sure, the culture may be the
same as the nationality of the maker in 99% of the cases, but if, by your
business rules, it has to, then problems can arise based on that assumption.
(There's also no easy way to enforce that rule, outside of
customizations).
Different fields, same domain (likely), different values.
All of this, of course, IMO.
Ryan Donahue
Manager
of Information Systems
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International
585.271.3361 ex386
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Aylsworth, David wrote:
We use the past
tense version “American, born
But I’ve got a
related question: Does this affect what you consider to be the culture of
the object, then? We made an almost arbitrary decision that the culture
of the object had to match the nationality of the artist. We use the
geography fields to denote where the object was made. Alfred Stieglitz
only makes “American” objects, even when he has taken pictures in
This hasn’t been
completely satisfactory, as we have British photographers who have worked all
of their lives in
David
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Our standards include
both options, on an artist-by-artist basis, regularly reviewed for consistency
by my department, and reviewed by curatorial chiefs once or twice a year.
For example, we have
both:
American, born
American and Swedish
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Hi folks…apologies if we’ve covered this recently…
Has anyone determined a standard for recording the
nationality for artists who are citizens of two countries and need to be noted
as such? We usually say for instance “American (born
Thanks,
Jessica
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