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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Essam, Gillian [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Related objects
Hi Amber,
At The National Gallery, London we use a generic relationship for all our parent – child groupings e.g. panels of altarpieces, decorative schemes, series and pairs of paintings etc
This is how the relationship is entered
Relationship = ‘group-group member’
Relation1 = group
Relation1 Plural = groups
Relation1 Prepositional = is part of:
Relation1 Plural prepositional = is part of:
Relation2 = group member
Relation2 Plural = group members
Relation2 Prepositional = comprises:
Relation2 Plural prepositional = comprises:
Description = Use to link groups of related works e.g. parts of an altarpiece. Link the virtual parent record (GROUP numbered) to related child records (L or NG numbered)
When we copy TMS data to our web site we change the language to display the relationship to the public, see http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/william-hogarth-marriage-a-la-mode-1-the-marriage-settlement
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Morgan, Amber
Sent: 19 March 2012 17:26
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Subject: Re: Related objects
That makes sense. However, this same Parent-Child relationship structure has been used for non-TC items. The easiest solution, I think, would be to change the relationship terms to something universal so I don’t have to pick back through all of the records to separate out parent-child records that aren’t TCs. There’s probably a way to do this through some SQL magic, but I don’t have that kind of access to the back end.
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Moxley, Jeri
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Related objects
How about Parent = 'Time Capsule' & Child = 'Part of Time Capsule'?
Jeri Moxley
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The Museum of Modern Art
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Morgan, Amber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I think there is something weird going on with the way our related objects work in TMS. It’s a system that I inherited, so I don’t want to go making some major change to it until I’m sure that it’s incorrect and not just a matter of me misunderstanding how it works. This is going to be really tricky to explain in an email, but I’ll give it a shot…
We want to create parent-child relationships between the records for our Time Capsules and all of the items inside. The TC would be the parent, the contents would be child records. When I go to the relationships tab for the parent object, I select “add child,” and my option for the type of relationship is “IsPartOf.” I can then add all of the related child records, no problem. When I go to the child records, I can see the relationship for the parent record – it says “HasPart,” and lists the parent record.
What I think is kind of weird is the relationship names. When I’m in a child record, I see this:
Objects
n HasPart
o TC23, Andy Warhol, Time Capsules: Time Capsule 23
But I think that reads like “This object has a part, and it is TC23,” when what I’m really trying to say is that “This object has a parent, and it is TC23,” or, “This object is a part of TC23.” But maybe you’re supposed to read it from the bottom up?
The functionality of all of this seems to work fine, it’s just the language of the relationship that seems odd to me. Here’s a screenshot of how the relationship is set up.
What do you guys think? Should I switch “HasPart” and “IsPartOf?”
Thanks,
Amber
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