Thanks Hilde!  We are encountering same problems with recto/verso and now considering how and if we use intellectual relationships.  Would also welcome your suggestion of equality between the two parts, perhaps something for GS to consider......

 

Best,

 

Liana

 

 

From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hilde Bøe
Sent: December-10-14 3:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Phsyical & Intellectual Relationships

 

Hi, I have no solution to this, but we do have the same problem at the Munch Museum. Many of our drawings are on opposite sides of the same sheet of paper and have been registered as recto-verso in intellectual relationships. When we encounter the need to create See Also relationships between a verso record and another work of art we are not able to register this unless we split the intellectual relationship and create separate records for the two drawings – we then re-connect the recto and the verso using a special See Also relationship.

For now we split our recto-verso intellectual relationships whenever needed – thus making the registering of such objects inconsistent.

 

Location is also problematic for these kinds of objects. Splitting an intellectual relationship creates new problems of course, since the recto/verso cannot be moved independently of each other; the verso cannot be moved at all in such a relationship which makes it hard if it’s that side that’s included in an exhibition – we cannot then just move all records in the exhibition but need to add the recto to the move as well; if we don’t there’s no change in location for the verso. After splitting them we need to use a manual procedure to ensure that both are moved if one is moved; we cannot then just move the one side but need to add the opposite side to the move as well. And in both cases this might of course create errors in location registering.

 

I would very much like to have a version of intellectual relationships that make the two parts more equal so that both parts could be included in other relationships and moved (with the other part following along), but I realise that this might be hard to achieve.

 

Best,

Hilde Bøe

Digital samlingsforvalter | Digital Collection Manager

DIRECT +47 97787931

 

From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Radvak, Liana
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:14 PM
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Subject: Phsyical & Intellectual Relationships

 

Hi,

 

Not sure if anyone has encountered this problem with intellectual relationships and has found a  solution.

 

We have a collection 3000+ photographic materials from one artist and each of these objects is related to the other in various ways.  We have created physical records for negative strips and each frame is an intellectual child record. We are now in the process of trying to create See Also relationships for the gelatin silver and contact prints that were printed from the negative. TMS will only let us create the relationship with the entire negative strip,  not the intellectual record/negative.    We used the intellectual relationship for the neg strip as these are the ones that require location tracking.  Is the only workaround to recreate the records with Parent/Child and forgo use of the other?

 

Suggestions welcome. 

 

Liana

 

 

 

Liana Radvak

Manager, Collection Information & Resources

AGO - Art Gallery of Ontario

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