Wow - didn't realize that would spark quite a discussion - but thanks to
everyone for their input.
~Chad
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On Behalf Of Glosson, Eunice
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In most instances the need for a tax write off is the reason for the
bargain/sale. The owner would like to give the entire object, but is
not in a financial position to do so. Thus the reason for both a deed
of gift and a sale agreement. Sometimes, even a vendor will offer a
bargain sale; they feel altruistic, but they also need to make a sale.
I find these a win-win arrangement, even though the paperwork is ten
times the usual transaction!
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But doesn't the donor/seller want a tax write-off for the "gift" (value
of object minus the selling-price) portion to the museum? Hence, the
museum must furnish a deed of gift?
Christine
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The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art
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I have a hard time in seeing such a thing as a gift at all, which is
probably my being obstinate. I think that if the Museum paid someone,
the person who got paid has a role of "seller"; the accession method is
"purchase". I try to retain the whole notion of a "partial gift" for
cases where a donor has only given a percentage interest in the artwork,
and the Museum does not yet fully own it.
But that's just me...
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We do a two part document, a Purchase and Sale Agreement, along with a
Deed of Gift for the gift portion. I was wondering how you document
these in the constituent portion of TMS? Right now I am calling these a
Partial Gift, but have never been completely satisfied that the purchase
portion is represented up front.
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Hi Eunice,
Those are a little complicated when the "donor" wants a gift form for
their portion of a bargain sale. I try to encourage them to handle it
more on their side with their accountant than on ours. In my mind, a
bargain sale is nothing more than a deeply discounted purchase. The
relatively few times that it occurs, I like to see a purchase agreement
drawn up that acknowledges what the insurance value of the piece is, as
well as what price the Museum has agreed to pay. The "donor" (actually,
the "seller") can then work out their own tax forms to recognize this as
a bargain sale.
Does that make sense?
David
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How do you handle bargain/sales?
Eunice Glosson
Registrar for Collections and Museums
Colonial Williamsburg Foundation
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Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:00 PM
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In Houston, we very much consider this to be a PURCHASE. It's something
that is always being confused by our curators, but I try to drill home
that anytime the institution cuts the check, the accession method is
PURCHASE. If we do not cut a check, it is a GIFT.
Similarly, the role of the person who gives funds for a purchase is a
FUNDER. If they give an object, they are a DONOR. Something that is
purchased should not have anyone with a DONOR role linked to it.
I actually set it up procedurally that we cannot buy a work of art
unless the purchase order is accompanied by an "art purchase form" which
is a crystal report out of TMS. The "art purchase form" will not run if
there is not someone identified as a "dealer or seller" as well as
someone identified as "funder" and the accession method switched over to
"purchase". It's worked surprisingly well
David
David Aylsworth
Collections Registrar
Museum of Fine Arts, Houston
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On Behalf Of Chad Petrovay
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:32 PM
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Subject: Accession Method
How do you handle Accession Method when an object is purchased by the
institution with funds from a donor. Is this considered a Gift, a
Purchase, or do you have some other designation for it?
Many thanks,
Chad Petrovay | Collections Database Administrator
MIM-Musical Instrument Museum | 8550 S. Priest Drive | Tempe, AZ 85284
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