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We use a ConXref role "Depicted" for this.  It works quite well, as some of our depicted constituents are actually donors of objects, etc.
Similar, we have a Geography Xref "Place depicted", linked to our Geographical Thesaurus.


Best regards,
Dieter


Dieter Van Hassel

Archives & Collection Management
Royal Museum for Central Africa
3080 Tervuren
Belgium

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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Morgan, Amber [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:07 PM
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Subject: Re: identifying sitter or subject of a painting/portrait through constituent xref

We have two roles that fall into this category, “subject depicted/about” and “subject associated.”  I’m not a huge fan of either but that’s what we are using (for now).  Personally I think it’s unclear what the difference is between the two or how they are supposed to be used.

We also make use of the suffix field.  The subject of a portrait would have a role of “subject depicted/about” with a suffix of “depicted.”   The suffix is what most people will see, so even though the roles are a little vague, the suffix clarifies it.  I’m not saying this is the best way of doing this, but we’ve been going with this and it’s worked out for the most part.  I’d be really interested to see what terms other museums are using for the role for depicted constituents.


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Best regards,
Amber


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From: The Museum System (TMS) Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Meissner, Elizabeth A - (meissner)
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:26 AM
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Subject: Re: identifying sitter or subject of a painting/portrait through constituent xref

We use Associated Person.

Betsi Meissner
Registration
Center for Creative Photography

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On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Wilson Jarred <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi all,

I’m trying to wrap my head around an issue involving constituent xrefs on object records. For sitters of portraits, we have utilized a role called “Sitter” to link a constituent to the object record. We would like to do something similar with people depicted (but who didn’t necessarily model or sit for a piece) in a photograph or poster. “Sitter” doesn’t seem to work well because, based on the Getty AAT definition<http://www.getty.edu/vow/AATFullDisplay?find=sitter&logic=AND&note=&page=1&subjectid=300189844>, it relates very specifically to portrait and not to other visual works. I am hesitant to call them the “Subject” because I think that term would get confused with overall subject or genre of a painting (i.e. “allegory”).

Has anyone used constituent xrefs in the object record to identify the person depicted in a photograph? If so, what role have you used to do this? If anyone has any insight which they could pass along, I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

Sincerely,
Jarred Wilson
Associate Registrar

The John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art
5401 Bay Shore Road
Sarasota, FL 34243

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